so for a company like that to function, clearly it does not depend on rupert murdoch or james murdoch. clearly, as a ceo, you have other functions that are managed by other people. i'm not worried about it at all because i do interact a lot with news corp., and i see a lot of depth at the management level at all levels. >> what mistakes do you think they've made managerially in handling the scandal? because the one thing that everyone seems to be in agreement about is they haven't handled it very well. >> you know, news corp. is a conglomerate that is really so diverse. it's available in five continents. if you take only the newspaper arena between -- among the united states, uk, australia, and other countries, you have hundreds of newspapers that have been published. clearly, "news of the world" in the uk went out of control, and the lesson learned here is that mr. rupert murdoch, james murdoch, and the management and board of directors there, they have to have more stringent rules and regulations. they have to tighten the boss a lot more internally, and they have to have independent